Ithaca Trench Gun Serial Numbers
There are no U.S. Military martial markings on the gun, and the serial number range is outside known military issue 37's. The stock Sling Swivel inletting, which appears precise and professional, is more consistent with Stevens 520/620 Trench Guns - never seen it on Ithaca 37 Trench or Riot guns. Butt Plate looks to be a replacement.
I have an excelent condition WW2 Ithaca Trench Gun, original blue finish, RLB and ordnance bomb marked, in the correct serial number range, everything perfect and as it should be EXCEPT, it has a winchester handguard. Any board members out there who can help out with the proper Ithaca WW2 trench handguard? Hughlong, I wonder whether the handguard was added later by a collector, or if, perhaps, it may have had the Winchester handguard installed by an in-service armorer?
Can you post pictures? Thanks for posting! David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com. I have an excelent condition WW2 Ithaca Trench Gun, original blue finish, RLB and ordnance bomb marked, in the correct serial number range, everything perfect and as it should be EXCEPT, it has a winchester handguard.
Any board members out there who can help out with the proper Ithaca WW2 trench handguard? Hughlong, I wonder whether the handguard was added later by a collector, or if, perhaps, it may have had the Winchester handguard installed by an in-service armorer?
Can you post pictures? Thanks for posting!
David Albert dalbert@sturmgewehr.com. HERE IS A QUOTE FROM OLDGUNS.COM: Ithaca Model 37 trench guns manufactured under government contract during WWII were fitted with ventilated metal handguard/bayonet adapter assemblies. The Ithaca handguard had six rows of ventilation holes. The WWII Model 37 Ithaca trench gun was finished in commercial grade blue, including the handguard/adapter assembly and had standard sling swivels. The stock was plain and unadorned and was not stamped with an inspector's cartouche.
The forend had parallel grasping grooves. The only martial markings observed on the trench guns were 'RLB' stamped on the left side of the receiver next to a small Ordnance Department flaming bomb and a small 'p' proof mark on the left side of the barrel. The 'RLB' initials were those of inspector Lt. Artcam dongle cracked. Bowlin, Chief of the Rochester Ordnance District. Observed trench gun serial numbers range from: #61038 to #61856.
All known original WWII Model 37 trench guns have the 'RLB' marking on the left side of the receiver So 6 rows is the key. The differences are difficult to describe in words but here is a start: The area connecting the main body (barrel attachment region) is connected to the lower bayonet-lug area by a particularly-contoured metal region. In 'NASCAR' terms, the Winchester type is a long sweeping curve, the Stevens is a short straight connected to a longer straight by a relatively tight-radius curve, and the Ithaca is between those two in contour (but closer to the Stevens). The moral of the story is that you need to get Bruce Canfield's book on combat shotguns.
He has good clear closeup photos of all three types so you can see how what you have compares to the others.
MODELS,, S ERIAL NUMBERS AND MANUFACTURING DATES FOR ITHACA GUNS R eprinted with express written permission from Walter Claude Snyder ’ s books “ The Ithaca Gun Company F rom T he Beginning ” and “ I thaca Featherlight Repeaters:: The Best Gun Going:: A Complete History of the I thaca M odel 37 and the M odel 87 ”. © A ll rights reserved,, copyrighted, no material with in this document may be copied or distributed in any way without the expr ess written permission of the author, Walter Claude Snyder. Untitled MODELS, SERIAL NUMBERS AND MANUFACTURING DATES FOR ITHACA GUNS Reprinted with express written permission from Walter Claude Snyder’s books “ The Ithaca Gun Company From The Beginning” and “ Ithaca Featherlight Repeaters: The Best Gun Going: A Complete History of the Ithaca Model 37 and the Model 87”. © All rights reserved, copyrighted, no material within this document may be copied or distributed in any way without the express written permission of the author, Walter Claude Snyder. MODELS,, S ERIAL NUMBERS AND MANUFACTURING DATES FOR ITHACA GUNS R eprinted with express written permission from Walter Claude Snyder ’ s books “ The Ithaca Gun Company F rom T he Beginning ” and “ I thaca Featherlight Repeaters:: The Best Gun Going:: A Complete History of the I thaca M odel 37 and the M odel 87 ”. © A ll rights reserved,, copyrighted, no material with in this document may be copied or distributed in any way without the expr ess written permission of the author, Walter Claude Snyder.
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